H. I haven't used the INS for some years, so am very rusty. It is installed in the TinMouse 732 and after a few days experimenting, although I can get the INS to work on the ground, I have a couple of problems. I'd appreciate some help.

1. The fast alignment 'screw' doesn't seem to work. The countdown from 9 to 5 and beyond takes forever! I understand with the 'immediate' alignment, it should take 2 minutes whereas my INS usually isn't aligned even within 15, often getting 'stuck' at 7 or 6.

This is what I do - am I doing something wrong (maybe in the 'order of play'?

1. Aircraft is stationery, parking brake on, APU running & generators on.
2. Turn the MSU to Standby
3. I cancel any errors showing on the INS and enter the current starting co-ordinates
4. Turn the MSU to 'Align
5. Press the fast align screw
6. Enter the flight plan via the ADEU...

I tried reversing steps 4 & 5. No joy. The green lights still takes 10-15' to show 'ready', if it comes on at all. (Re-entering the starting co-ordinates sometimes fixes things if it seems permanently 'stuck)', May be 'real' but I really don't want to sit around that long I am afraid. So how do I use the screw to reduce alignment to 2 minutes, as people say happens in their sim?

The second issue: even when I have the flight plan loaded via ADEU, the aircraft refuses to follow my loaded flight plan. I set the selector to GPS mode (rather than NAV and then the VOR/LOC in the SP77. Should that not set the a/c to follow the waypoints I loaded via the awc file/card reader? No doubt something I am doing wrong, as I don't have any problems like this when I fly with the SP177.

Many thanks for any help.

Martin

Hello..

Are you sure you're clicking on the MSU (upper) RIGHT screw while you have not yet selected NAV on the MSU Mode Selector Knob?"

Yes, I set MSU to Standby, enter the current position, load the flight plan via ADEU, move the MSU to 'Align', press the top right-hand screw and wait.  The PI does move down, (usually) but it takes too long - it usually sits on 7 and then 6 for at least five minutes each: usually takes over 15 minutes to be ready for NAV mode. I am afraid I don't really have the patience to wait for for that length of time every flight  

I have tried pushing the screw before I switch to Align too, or before I enter the flight plan into the ADEU, but I have never once got an alignment that took much less than 10-12 minutes. As I write, the INS has been stuck on 7-5 for five minutes - oh, it just moved to 6-5...

Thanks.

Martin,

I believe you but what you're experiencing is VERY strange.
Are you sure you're running the latest CIVA version?
To check it look at the CDU Left Data Display pressing TEST while HOLD is on.

> sticks for ever at 6

Forever or simply for "a long time"?
If it is really stuck at 6 forever then there is something wrong going on.
Either Present Position has not been inserted or there are Action/Malfunction codes present, which must be cleared before MI could go down to 5, as 5 means "Ready To Nav".
So have you checked Action/Malfunction codes? (DSRTK/STS)

04-45 means Loaded Present Position Latitude is not correct or not within operating limits (80 00.0 N or S)
[See ActionAndMalfunctionCodes.pdf]

This evening at home I'll try the same sequence you described and see what happens, then I'll report back.

You probably inserted a wrong latitude value...not a big problem

Hi. This is the panel.cfg. It's slightly tweaked, with an added window, but I can't see anything that would impinge on the INS functions: everything else works but the fast alignment...

Thanks.

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[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
window01=Radio Stack - Lower
Window02=CIVA Litton INS CDU
window03=Throttle Quadrant
window04=Lights Panel
window05=Groundhandling
window06=Overhead Lower
window07=Radio Stack - Upper
window08=Overhead Lower 2
window09=Timer

Fixed Window30=Forward Right
Fixed Window31=Right
Fixed Window32=Rear Right
Fixed Window33=Rear
Fixed Window34=Rear Left
Fixed Window35=Left
Fixed Window36=Forward Left
Fixed Window37=Up

[Views]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL, 4008, 4009

/////  FORWARD VIEW DIRECTION   ///////

// This line gives left-offset forward (capt-side) view
//VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=2.0, 0.0, 10.0

// This line gives screen-centered (MSFS default) forward view
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=2.0, 0.0, 0.0

///////////////////////////////////////

VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.65

VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_WINDOWS=30
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 45
VIEW_FORWARD_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_RIGHT_WINDOWS=31
VIEW_RIGHT_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 90.0
VIEW_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_WINDOWS=32
VIEW_REAR_RIGHT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_REAR_WINDOWS=33
VIEW_REAR_DIR=0.0, 0.0, 190.0
VIEW_REAR_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_REAR_LEFT_WINDOWS=34
VIEW_REAR_LEFT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_LEFT_WINDOWS=35
VIEW_LEFT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_WINDOWS=36
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_DIR=1.0, 0.0, 315.0
VIEW_FORWARD_LEFT_ZOOM=0.80

VIEW_UP_WINDOWS=37
VIEW_UP_DIR=-90.0, 0.0, 0.0
VIEW_UP_ZOOM=0.80

[Window00]
//Select (remove leading slashes) from one pair of bitmaps
//file=Main_w.bmp           //Main panel bitmap with round dials (original)
file_1024=Main_w_16-10.bmp
//file=Main_igs.bmp       //Main panel bitmap with square HSI face for ISG glass HSI
//file_1024=Main_igs.bmp
//file=Main_tcas.bmp        //main panel bitmap with square face for ILH TCAS gauge
//file_1024=Main_tcas.bmp
size_mm=1600, 1020
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000
position=0
visible=1
update_rate=20
ident=MAIN_PANEL

gauge00=B732ADV!fs2crew_audio, 1, 2, 1, 1       //invisible system gauge
gauge01=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0, 0, 0, B732ADV
gauge02=B732ADV!systems, 1, 800, 1, 1           //invisible gauge
gauge03=B732ADV!rmi, 107, 835, 150, 180
gauge04=B732ADV!altimeter, 497, 684, 134, 131
gauge05=B732ADV!vsi, 497, 834, 137, 131        //round dial VVI
//gauge05=ILH_TCAS!IVSIb, 493,829,142,142, pic:no  //VVI/TCAS, requires all "ILH" gauges //NOT compatible with ISG TCAS and FSX
gauge06=B732ADV!epr_1, 843, 553, 95, 95
gauge07=B732ADV!epr_2, 945, 553, 95, 95
gauge08=B732ADV!flap, 1256, 589, 80, 81
gauge09=B732ADV!dimmer, 787, 564, 17, 43
//gauge10=B732ADV!gear_lights, 1350, 627, 27, 47
gauge10=B732ADV!ldg_gear_w, 1350, 567, 103, 105
gauge11=B732ADV!gps_switch, 528, 977, 34, 41   //LNav-Radio switch (original)
gauge12=B732ADV!effects, 210, 604, 52, 52
gauge13=B732ADV!pdcs, 2, 800, 1, 1
gauge14=B732ADV!fuel_qty_left, 652, 939, 82, 79
gauge15=B732ADV!fuel_qty_center, 701, 852, 84, 82
gauge16=B732ADV!fuel_qty_right, 750, 938, 82, 80
gauge17=B732ADV!fuel_ptt, 723, 539, 16, 16
gauge18=B732ADV!oil_press_1, 1052, 655, 82, 82
gauge19=B732ADV!oil_press_2, 1146, 654, 86, 85
gauge20=B732ADV!ra, 642, 679, 148, 147
gauge21=B732ADV!sb_lights, 643, 882, 51, 49
gauge22=B732ADV!n1_1, 851, 653, 78, 78
gauge23=B732ADV!n1_2, 948, 653, 78, 78
gauge24=B732ADV!n2_1, 851, 843, 78, 78
gauge25=B732ADV!n2_2, 948, 843, 78, 78
gauge26=B732ADV!ff_1, 850, 937, 80, 80
gauge27=B732ADV!ff_2, 948, 937, 80, 80
gauge28=B732ADV!egt_1,850, 747, 80, 80
gauge29=B732ADV!egt_2,948, 747, 80, 80
gauge30=B732ADV!hsi, 285, 855, 187, 167           //Mechanical HSI
//gauge30=isg1!EFS50_EHSI_NB, 300, 862, 157, 139  //Glass HSI
gauge31=B732ADV!fd_cont, 809, 432, 174, 101     //disable when SP177 equipped
gauge32=B732ADV!oil_qty_1, 1052, 844, 80, 78
gauge33=B732ADV!oil_qty_2, 1149, 845, 79, 78
gauge34=B732ADV!oil_temp_1, 1054, 749, 78, 80
gauge35=B732ADV!oil_temp_2, 1149, 749, 78, 80
gauge36=B732ADV!ap, 995, 415, 385, 120, 1       //disable when SP177 equipped
//gauge36=B732ADV!SP177, 789, 412, 700, 135         //SP177 Autopilot  590 norm width
gauge37=B732ADV!apd, 547, 556, 96, 108            
gauge38=B732ADV!engine_lights, 1042, 593, 205, 51
gauge39=B732ADV!ap_disc, 499, 636, 38, 36
gauge40=B732ADV!windshear, 170, 613, 34, 33
gauge41=B732ADV!alt_alert, 487, 596, 49, 23
gauge42=B732ADV!out_of_trim, 792, 883, 50, 24
gauge43=B732ADV!autobrake, 1240, 751, 102, 269
gauge44=B732ADV!antiskid, 1240, 720, 101, 23
gauge45=B732ADV!le_lights, 1240, 685, 100, 23
gauge46=B732ADV!caution_left, 592, 462, 196, 44
gauge47=B732ADV!omi, 744, 562, 30, 102
gauge48=B732ADV!comparator, 288, 585, 181, 26
gauge49=B732ADV!marker_switch, 550, 518, 151, 37
gauge50=B732ADV!toggle_clock, 808, 794, 20, 20
gauge51=B732ADV!toggle_go_around, 808, 814, 20, 20
gauge52=B732ADV!toggle_atc, 808, 834, 20, 20
gauge53=B732ADV!toggle_gps, 808, 774, 20, 20
gauge54=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1, 808, 754, 20, 20
gauge55=B732ADV!toggle_lights, 808, 734, 20, 20
gauge56=B732ADV!toggle_map, 808, 714, 20, 20
gauge57=B732ADV!toggle_throttles, 808, 694, 20, 20
gauge58=B732ADV!toggle_radio, 808, 654, 20, 20
gauge59=B732ADV!toggle_radio2, 808, 674, 20, 20
gauge60=B732ADV!yaw_damp_ind, 1172, 555, 59, 27
gauge61=B732ADV!test, 564, 983, 79, 35
//gauge62=ISG1_TCAS!Logic,  1,5,1,1  //Invisible TCAS logic gauge - Incompatible with ILH TCAS
//gauge62=ILH_TCAS!Logic, 1, 5, 1, 1
gauge63=B732ADV!asi, 100, 652, 167, 172
gauge64=B732ADV!adi, 278, 626, 201, 195
gauge65=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0, 0, 0, B732ADV
gauge66=B732ADV!brake_press, 1471, 705, 80. 80
gauge67=B732ADV!hyd_press, 1515, 790, 80, 80
gauge68=B732ADV!HydA_quant, 1473, 925, 80, 82
gauge69=B732ADV!Gear_Handle, 1388, 676, 40, 283
gauge70=B732ADV!caution_right, 1501, 460, 91, 44
gauge71=FlightDeckSFX!Icon_FlightDeckSFX, 808, 634, 20, 20
gauge72=rcb_groundhandling4!Icon_Pushback,  808, 614, 20, 20
gauge73=B732ADV!timer, 1462, 558, 140, 140
gauge74=XMLGauges!Panel5b, 1140,00,70,70
gauge75=XMLGauges!Panel7a, 1040,280,70,70
gauge76=Z_AB320KM!NAV-GPS, 490, 985, 34, 34

[Window01]
size_mm=660, 960
//window_size = 0.4125, 0.9412
//position=2
Window_Pos=0.5192871093750000,0.0008138020833333
Window_Size=0.4807128906250000,0.9991861979166666
visible=0
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL

gauge00=B732ADV!radio1, 0, 0, 660, 960

[Window02]
size_mm=379,300
//window_size = 0.2369, 0.2941
//position=8
Window_Pos=0.6484375000000000,0.7291666666666666
Window_Size=0.2619628906250000,0.2708333333333333
BACKGROUND_COLOR=0,0,0
VISIBLE=0
ident=4012

gauge00=../Civa/Ins!Cdu11, 1, 1, 379, 300

[Window03]
size_mm=542, 635
//position=0
Window_Pos=0.5864257812500000,0.3942057291666667
Window_Size=0.4156494140625000,0.6057942708333334
BACKGROUND_COLOR=16,16,16
visible=0
ident=THROTTLE_PANEL

gauge00=B732ADV!throttles, 0, 0, 542, 635
gauge01=B732ADV!throttles2, 158, 20, 223, 328
gauge02=B732ADV!throttles3, 65, 93, 68, 228
gauge03=B732ADV!throttles4, 401, 134, 52, 327

[Window04]
file=lights.bmp
size_mm=1262, 158
//window_size = 0.7888, 0.1549
//position=1
Window_Pos=0.1055908203125000,0.0000000000000000
Window_Size=0.7886962890625000,0.1547851562500000
visible=1
ident=OVERHEAD_PANEL

gauge00=B732ADV!lights, 101, 4, 1084, 130
gauge01=XMLGauges!Panel5b, 0,0,70,70

[Window05]
size_mm=239,65                 // The relative window size in pixels.
ident=10005                    // The ident used by Icon_Pushback.
visible=0
zorder=100
Window_Pos=0.0000000000000000,0.0000000000000000
Window_Size=0.1999511718750000,0.0699869791666667
//position=0                     // 0: opens in top-left of screen.
background_color=16,16,16
gauge00=rcb_Groundhandling4!PushbackDisplay,         2,2,74,61
//gauge01=rcb_Groundhandling4!TaxispeedToeBrakes,      79,2,64,61 //If you have ToeBrakes
gauge01=rcb_Groundhandling4!TaxispeedNoToeBrakes,    79,2,64,61 //If you have NO ToeBrakes
gauge02=rcb_Groundhandling4!BrakePressure,           146,2,44,61
gauge03=rcb_Groundhandling4!ParkingBrakeSwitch,      193,2,44,30
gauge04=rcb_Groundhandling4!AutoTaxiAfterLanding,    193,33,44,30
gauge05=rcb_Groundhandling4!PushbackStates, 0,0
gauge06=rcb_Groundhandling4!BrakeSound, 0,0
gauge07=GH_Sound!dsd_xml_sound3, 0,0,,, ./sound/Groundhandling/Sound.ini

[Window06]
file=overhead3.bmp
size_mm=1148,960
window_size = 0.7175, 0.9412
position=1
visible=0
ident=11

gauge00=B732ADV!ovhd_fuel, 0, 597, 256, 364
gauge01=B732ADV!ovhd_apu,256, 847, 259, 113
gauge02=B732ADV!ovhd_seat_belt, 523, 162, 113, 795
gauge03=B732ADV!toggle_overhead1_close, 1060, 0, 88, 88
gauge04=B732ADV!ovhd_gen, 255,580,259,267
gauge05=B732ADV!ovhd_csd, 255, 310, 258, 282
gauge06=B732ADV!ovhd_elecmeter, 255, 0, 259, 310
gauge07=B732ADV!ovhd_hyd, 640, 408, 261, 142
gauge08=B732ADV!ovhd_fltcontrol, 0, 103, 256, 351
gauge09=B732ADV!ovhd_pneu, 901, 325, 247, 357
gauge10=B732ADV!ovhd_press, 901, 683, 247, 277
gauge11=B732ADV!ovhd_press2, 638, 688, 265, 272
gauge12=B732ADV!ovhd_doorcvr, 640, 548, 261, 140
gauge13=B732ADV!ovhd_iceprot, 639, 0, 262, 408
gauge14=B732ADV!ovhd_ac, 901, 62, 246, 262
gauge15=../civa/INS!Msu1, 0, 29, 256, 73


[Window07]
//Place two slashes in front of line below if using RealityXP(tm) WX-500 radar
file=radio_upper.bmp
//Remove slashes from line below if using RealityXP(tm) radar
//file=radio_upper_xp2.bmp
size_mm=975,565
//window_size = 0.6093, 0.5539
//position=8
Window_Pos=0.5200,0.5366
Window_Size=0.4790,0.4634
visible=0
ident=12

gauge00=B732ADV!pdcs_cdu, 701, 5, 248, 219
gauge01=B732ADV!transp, 701, 232, 243, 122
//gauge01=ILH_TCAS!Transponder, 674, 227, 301, 136, pic:no
gauge02=B732ADV!alt_alert_cont, 421, 38, 157, 65
//Place two slashes in front of next line if using the RealityXP(tm) radar
gauge03=B732ADV!radar, 338, 125, 338, 330
gauge04=B732ADV!memory, 700, 506, 253, 54
gauge05=B732ADV!fo_gyro, 718, 377, 213, 54
gauge06=../civa/ins!cdu1, 2, 0, 315,243
gauge07=../civa/INS!Adeu1, 320,464,350,100
//remove the slashes from next line if using the RealityXP(tm) radar
//gauge07=RealityXP_WX500!RDR, 319, 111, 354, 266
gauge08=B732ADV!gyro_capt, 0, 389, 320, 176

[Window08]
file=overhead3.bmp
size_mm=1148,960
window_size_ratio=1.0
//position=1
Window_Pos=0.1800537109375000,0.0000000000000000
Window_Size=0.6398925781250000,0.5999348958333334
visible=1
ident=11
zorder=100

// multiply vertical coordinate by .9375

gauge00=B732ADV!ovhd_fuel, 0, 597, 256, 364
gauge01=B732ADV!ovhd_apu,256, 847, 259, 113
gauge02=B732ADV!ovhd_seat_belt, 523, 162, 113, 795
gauge03=XMLgauges!Panel9a, 1006, 0, 144, 144
gauge04=B732ADV!ovhd_gen, 255,580,259,267
gauge05=B732ADV!ovhd_csd, 255, 310, 258, 282
gauge06=B732ADV!ovhd_elecmeter, 255, 0, 259, 310
gauge07=B732ADV!ovhd_hyd, 640, 408, 261, 142
gauge08=B732ADV!ovhd_fltcontrol, 0, 242, 256, 351
gauge09=B732ADV!ovhd_pneu, 901, 325, 247, 357
gauge10=B732ADV!ovhd_press, 901, 683, 247, 277
gauge11=B732ADV!ovhd_press2, 638, 688, 265, 272
gauge12=B732ADV!ovhd_doorcvr, 640, 548, 261, 140
gauge13=B732ADV!ovhd_iceprot, 639, 0, 262, 408
gauge14=B732ADV!ovhd_ac, 901, 62, 246, 262
gauge15=../civa/INS!Msu3, 00, 00, 256, 82

[Window09]
size_mm=140, 140
window_size = 0.0875, 0.1373
position=2
visible=0
ident=COMPASS_PANEL

gauge00=B732ADV!timer, 0, 0, 140, 140

[Fixed Window30]
file=FORWARD_RIGHT.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=30

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2

[Fixed Window31]
file=RIGHT.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=31

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3

[Fixed Window32]
file=REAR_RIGHT.bmp
size_mm=1024
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=32

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 4

[Fixed Window33]
file=REAR.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=33

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 5

[Fixed Window34]
file=REAR_LEFT.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=34

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 6

[Fixed Window35]
file=LEFT.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=35

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 7

[Fixed Window36]
file=FORWARD_LEFT.bmp
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=36

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 600, 1, 1, 1, 8

[Fixed Window37]
file=UP.bmp
size_mm=1024
visible=0
nomenu=1
render_3d_window=1
window_pos=0.0,0.0
window_size=1.000,1.000
ident=37

gauge00=B732ADV!ap, 1, 1, 1, 1, 9

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8192
SIZE_Y=3200

[AdvDisplay]

[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=60,60,60
Luminous=240,240,200

That's true. Well spotted!

I removed one of the instances, but sadly this hasn't changed the long startup time - pressing the 'screw' doesn't seem to make any changes at all and it still takes almost quarter of an hour to get to a green INS 'Ready' light.    But thanks for the suggestion...

(Also tried downloading a new setup file, deleting my old civa folder and reinstalling. Copied gauges to 732 panel folder, but fast alignment still not happening.

Removing the MSU3 entry has made a difference. The CDU goes from 95 to 65 in ten seconds or less now, but from 65 to 55 and green light has just taken 20 minutes (I sat and timed it). No error codes were showing I had 0, then four blank digits and then 65..

Progress, of sorts!    Any ideas about this last hurdle?

EDIT: Just tried a third time and I got 55 only 20 seconds after 65! The only difference was that this time I pressed the fast align screw before rather than after I moved the MSU to 'Align'. I'll try a few more times at different locations and just confirm all OK.

Many thanks for your persistence with my little problem, Marco. Looks like you might have solved it now! (Fingers crossed)...

Yes, have installed the INS into other a/c (DC8 for instance) and it is all working fine. Thanks again...